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Gun Pierson · Sep 20, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Anet still hasn't come down from their ivory tower when it comes to the subject of 7 heroes it seems. I still think it's a missed opportunity for both Anet and the player base.

I also believe it's too late at this time, they missed the boat. If they wait till the population migrates to GW2, only a small part of the former player base will experience the joy of playing with 7 heroes.

If they implement 7 heroes before GW2, I think a lot of people wouldn't like playing with one companion only in GW2. It's a reason not to allow 7 heroes ever imo.

Bryant Again · Sep 20, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

If people are being jerks to you its has to be you being a jackass as well, I almost never have jerky pugs, i also dont call them names as shit and be rude.

Awful logic. "I don't experience bad pugs, therefore NOBODY experiences bad pugs"? I thought we went over this fallacy.

Amy Awien · Sep 20, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Bryant, please stop responding to and quoting the troll as it (a) only feeds him and (b) bypasses our ignore lists. Thanks.

BlackSephir · Sep 20, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Hey AN, I've come to say that it's too late for 7 heroes, don't even try. You had your chance, you blew it with lame excuses, you f-ed up.

Bryant Again · Sep 20, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Bryant, please stop responding to and quoting the troll as it (a) only feeds him and (b) bypasses our ignore lists. Thanks.

Hey, someone's gotta parent ;p If no one yells at him, he'll think his logic is sound. As is, he's already shut up about what his "original point" used to be.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Hey AN, I've come to say that it's too late for 7 heroes, don't even try. You had your chance, you blew it with lame excuses, you f-ed up.

How is it "too late"?

JDRyder · Sep 20, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Awful logic. "I don't experience bad pugs, therefore NOBODY experiences bad pugs"? I thought we went over this fallacy.

Im not saying that, im saying pugs are being jackasses to you guys most likely cause you are being jackasses to them, how is it any better to say "all pugs are jackasses" ?

BlackSephir · Sep 21, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How is it "too late"?

Many people, me, my guildies and other have already quit. Allowing us to use 7 heroes now won't make us come back.

Bryant Again · Sep 21, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

Im not saying that, im saying pugs are being jackasses to you guys most likely cause you are being jackasses to them.how is it any better to say "all pugs are jackasses" ?

It's pretty much saying that if a random madman came into a bar, shot it up, and killed numerous people, that those people would be at fault.

You're pretty much saying that in no way is a pugger ever a jerk and that when they are it's our fault, and you back this up with your *very* limited view that you've never seen a "bad pugger".

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Many people, me, my guildies and other have already quit. Allowing us to use 7 heroes now won't make us come back.

So it's only too late for you and your buddies? Because that's a pretty subjective viewpoint to label for so many.

JDRyder · Sep 21, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's pretty much saying that if a random madman came into a bar, shot it up, and killed numerous people, that those people would be at fault.

You're pretty much saying that in no way is a pugger ever a jerk and that when they are it's our fault, and you back this up with your *very* limited view that you've never seen a "bad pugger".

you didnt even read what I said, if your a jackass to people in return they will be jackasses to you.

Bryant Again · Sep 21, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

you didnt even read what I said, if your a jackass to people in return they will be jackasses to you.

I *did* read what you said. It's what you said earlier that's wrong:

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

If people are being jerks to you its has to be you being a jackass as well

It's that some people aren't treating anyone poorly in any way shape or form, and people are *still* being jackasses to them.

Granted, if you treat someone poorly you're going to likely be treated poor in return, but many are doing nothing that's deserving of such poor treatment.

JDRyder · Sep 21, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I *did* read what you said. It's what you said earlier that's wrong:

It's that some people aren't treating anyone poorly in any way shape or form, and people are *still* being jackasses to them.

Granted, if you treat someone poorly you're going to likely be treated poor in return, but many are doing nothing that's deserving of such poor treatment.

so your calling yourself wrong? thats the same thing i said, all pugs are not jackasses and they will be jackasses if you treat them like a jackass.

your just trolling, you'd say im wrong if i said blue is a color.

Mr. Undisclosed · Sep 21, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

No, just because.

Inner Salbat · Sep 21, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's that some people aren't treating anyone poorly in any way shape or form, and people are *still* being jackasses to them.

Granted, if you treat someone poorly you're going to likely be treated poor in return, but many are doing nothing that's deserving of such poor treatment.

Lets see the first day of playing Guild Wars started about 1-2 months after release new people here joining by the hour so I'm expected to be inexperienced the same way I am with the game experience from the next one I'm going to compare it too.

(First Week)
PuG 1 - Looked at my armor because it wasn't 'elite' - kick (FoW)
PuG 2 - Someone asked about my skill bar (I typed it back then) called every name under the sun - kick (UW)
PuG 3 - Abused in global chat that I was a poor player (well durr I've only been playing a week give me a break!)

Perfect World
(First Week)
There is none to report everyone has been very pleasant to deal with even overly helpful, you busy solo beating something up and a Cleric will fly over head notice your HP is low and buff you from on high to which I now return the favor, some say thanks others say nothing at all.

I have grouped with people they've been pleasant and very helpful.

So what is wrong people in guild wars from my point of view?
1. Too many skills over complicates the game, confuses new player and starts a bad experience by various people that think your a noob, - Solution 7 Heroes to avoid them.

2. It's an instanced world if you fail it's back to the outpost too much importants in getting it right first time or you've wasted your time. - Solution 7 heroes so you learn skills that don't make you a failure, and how they work together as a team.

3. The content is too large for an instanced based game the population when it starts to die off looks like it's a ghost town. - Solution 7 heroes so you can play they content you paid for.

I'm sure there are more but I don't want to make this post into a novel.

Bryant Again · Sep 21, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

all pugs are not jackasses and they will be jackasses if you treat them like a jackass.

No sir.

Here's the situation: what if you joined a pug, everyone was silent, then all of a sudden some random guy started calling everyone assholes? By your logic, it's not his fault and someone else in the pug must've done something. The way you've worded it, said it, is pretty much saying "no one is a jerk unless you treat them as such" - which couldn't be more wrong. You're making a huuuuuuuuuge leaping assumption based off of one sample: your experience, and your experience does not equal everyone's experience.

DreamRunner · Sep 21, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

so your calling yourself wrong? thats the same thing i said, all pugs are not jackasses and they will be jackasses if you treat them like a jackass.

your just trolling, you'd say im wrong if i said blue is a color.

Your reasoning is as bad as your spelling and punctuation. A large majority of people on GWGuru agree that they do not like PuG's and so by saying that, you think a large majority of guild war guru are jackasses? But that doesn't matter because you're basing your reasoning on a generalization from your experience with PuGs, whom are not jackasses.

Therefore its the experience of a large majority of Guild War guru's members verse yours and I have to say that because of this, you're wrong.

JDRyder · Sep 21, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

No sir.

Here's the situation: what if you joined a pug, everyone was silent, then all of a sudden some random guy started calling everyone assholes? By your logic, it's not his fault and someone else in the pug must've done something. The way you've worded it, said it, is pretty much saying "no one is a jerk unless you treat them as such" - which couldn't be more wrong. You're making a huuuuuuuuuge leaping assumption based off of one sample: your experience, and your experience does not equal everyone's experience.

and your making a huge leap from my OP.

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A large majority of people on GWGuru agree that they do not like PuG's and so by saying that, you think a large majority of guild war guru are jackasses?

they are but thats what im saying.

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But that doesn't matter because you're basing your reasoning on a generalization from your experience with PuGs, whom are not jackasses.

so there are some jackass pugs but it does not mean they are all jackasses, as the OP said.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Therefore its the experience of a large majority of Guild War guru's members verse yours and I have to say that because of this, you're wrong.

how am i wrong for saying if your a jackass to people they will be jackasses to you?

Bryant Again · Sep 21, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

and your making a huge leap from my OP.

Hah, actually not really. I'm comparing by example to show that what you said much earlier:

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

If people are being jerks to you its has to be you being a jackass as well,

-is horribly fallacious and a grossly exaggerated and stretched assumption.

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so there are some jackass pugs but it does not mean they are all jackasses, as the OP said.

Nor does it mean that NO pugs are jackasses, like YOU said.

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how am i wrong for saying if your a jackass to people they will be jackasses to you?

You're wrong in saying that the only way someone is going to be a jerk to you in a pug is if you are a jerk to them.

pamelf · Sep 21, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

If people are only jackasses because someone was one first, that means someone had to have been a jackass to the person first, and so on, and so forth ad infinitum. That logic is so hopelessly flawed it doesn't even warrant further discussion.

PUG's are either new, or veterans who are elitist. That is naturally a generally broad statement, however you'll find at least 90% of PUGS will be like that. Veteran players don't have the patience to babysit new players through the game. That's basically what it comes down to, therefore veterans will either choose only to pug with other veterans to ensure smooth gameplay; which consequently means the kicking of newbies because they haven't yet learned the proper skill usage etc, or veterans will choose not to PUG at all as it's a lot less hassle to H/H. There are other pug groups out there who are in the middle ground of less veteran, but not new players who simply demand cookie cutter builds before allowing you in the team.

Either way, PUGs don't actually have to be jackasses for the experience not to be enjoyable. I've been in a pug recently that were perfectly amiable. Lovely people, who I enjoyed being with very much, EXCEPT for the fact that we couldn't get a very simply mission done in 2 HOURS which took me 30 minutes to do frist time on the same character H/H.

The request for 7 heroes has only a very small amount to do with PUgs being jackasses. They don't have to be rude to make the pug experience bad. The players are simply all at different levels in the game who need different experiences to make this game enjoyable.

JDRyder · Sep 21, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You're wrong in saying that the only way someone is going to be a jerk to you in a pug is if you are a jerk to them.

i didnt say that ..... i said when you act like a jerk to other people, in return they will act jerky to you as well.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

PUG's are either new, or veterans who are elitist. That is naturally a generally broad statement, however you'll find at least 90% of PUGS will be like that. Veteran players don't have the patience to babysit new players through the game.

Agreed, its true, most people dont want to play with players of lesser skill. I dont mind playing with lesser skilled players "In pve" IMO in Pve who cares as long as your having fun, its not a place for rage, build Nazi's, etc, and if you do rage etc in PVE get over it, your not playing for money.

Bryant Again · Sep 21, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

i didnt say that ..... i said when you act like a jerk to other people, in return they will act jerky to you as well.

It's good to see you revising your original statement, because that sure has hell wasn't what it originally stated.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

...and if you do rage etc in PVE get over it, your not playing for money.

While many could argue that time = money, I will say that it's always a huge kick in the balls to be doing a mission numerous times always to screw up near the end (THK).